On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 we hosted four colleagues from the "other side of the desk" to share their wisdom on college admission. They spoke about their own institutions, about their personal journeys to college, and about the higher education landscape generally. Below are my notes from the panel, hopefully presented in a way that makes some sense to the reader, beginning with names and titles of our guests.
Mike Drish – Deputy Director of Undergraduate Admission, UCLA
Melissa Cline – Associate Director of Admission, Furman
Owen Knight – Senior Admission Counselor, Tulane
Amy Ruff – Regional Recruiter, University of Michigan
Holistic admission
– how do you read applications?
UCLA: no letters
of recommendation considered, look for academic performance, extracurricular involvement,
and potential campus engagement; Importance of self-advocacy through UC
application – students control the narrative
Furman: most
emphasis on academic career in HS; test optional – no SAT/ACT required;
activities, essays, recs encouraged (not required); high school context is important
Tulane: look beyond
GPA and tests; add “interest” (why do you want to be at Tulane? Do you know
about our community?)
Michigan:
interest considered through required essay (why Michigan); focus on reading
contextually by HS; how do you maximize what’s available to you; lots of
emphasis on student voice via essays; “impact” is important
What type of curriculum
do you look for?
Examine what your school offers, make choices based on
strengths and weaknesses; context of HS curriculum is important – what is
considered rigorous at your school? How do your choices match your interests? (Michigan)
Furman: we read
by high school group, spending a couple of hours with HIES. Important to get to know the school,
understand what a student has done in context of that place beyond just AP –
what is most rigorous at your school?
How do you weigh the components of an application?
You don’t need to be perfect at everything,
individually. Colleges want a well-rounded
“class” that they’ve built and need a little of everything. (Tulane)
UCLA: there is no
road map. Be careful looking at other
students who get in and thinking that’s the guaranteed path. It’s about being true to what you love to do.
Do those things at a high level; have an impact. Maybe that’s a handful of things, maybe it’s
only a couple. Aim to be impactful.
How about testing?
Furman: Test
optional doesn’t mean GPA optional. Go
ahead and take the SAT or ACT. Sometimes
scores line up nicely with academic performance and abilities. Sometimes not. When your academic abilities are something
you’re prouder of than tests, you can omit the tests without penalty. When no test scores, larger emphasis on
grades and rigor. It is important to ask
if a college superscores the SAT and ACT or not.
Tulane: AP test scores
are less important for admission, but take your AP classes seriously because
students can get exempted out of college classes.
How do you read
files once they get to your office?
UCLA: 113000 apps
last year. Most populated state in the
country, with most high school students.
But we read these. There is no
cutoff and no automatic cut number; we employ 70 admission officers and hundreds
of readers to get through all these apps – lots of anti-bias training and
norming that makes the review process work; large investment in human element
of app review
Michigan: 65000
apps. Read all individually; use outside
readers for first read, then onto the regional rep for second read (Amy knows
and reads HIES). Then onto a third
person who helps make a final decision based on first two reviews.
Furman: smaller
pool means all apps are read in-house. Melissa
does the first read of every file for all high schools she works with (HIES
included); after, reviewed two to three more times and then sent to committee
Tulane: Similar –
Owen is first reader for his territories, an advocate for our applicants
How do you make
sense of differences between GPA’s?
Michigan:
recalculate GPA on unweighted, 4-point scale using all classes; GPA matters,
but how you got there is more important.
What types of classes did you choose?
What are your trends in various subjects or areas?
Furman:
recalculate using your HS grading policy, but dropping non-core classes from
GPA
How are groups of
apps from one school reviewed?
Tulane: don’t
read all of one school at a time; sometimes admit 90% from one school, or 10%
from same; no quotas, no caps per school
UCLA: every class
at a high school, every year, is different.
This plays out in admission.
Sometimes seniors send lots of apps to one school, but the rising
juniors don’t. Expect a different number
and type of applicant each year. UCLA
also considers what program people apply into. Some programs are talent-based; some are
harder to enter than others.
How do I figure
out if a college could be a good fit?
Tulane: think
broadly about size, location, type of school, setting; need to see types of
places in person. Cast a wide net, think
open-mindedly and see some places that might help narrow your focus
Michigan: if you
can’t visit, use the online virtual tours – hear from a student tour guide, get
a sense for campus; trust your gut (and maybe look at the pictures online
before you go); OK if seemingly trivial things matter to you. Pay attention to what interests you – don’t
lean too heavily on rankings
UCLA: rely on
your college counseling office – they are people who visit campuses, have
worked on college campuses, guide people through process individually without
bias and with your best interests in mind
Do you have to
visit before you apply? Should I reach
out to someone if I can’t visit?
Michigan: don’t
have to visit before you apply; OK to apply and then see what happens, visit as
admitted student; reach out to your local rep
Furman:
demonstrated interest matters, but that doesn’t mean you have to visit
campus. We know it takes the right type
of student to thrive at Furman, so we want to know you’ve taken some deliberate
steps to research us. If can’t visit,
connect with me in Atlanta.
Tulane: start
with local visits – places around Atlanta can be a good proxy for other types
of places: Tulane is very similar to Emory, for example
How do you
actually apply? What does ED, EA, RD
mean?
Tulane: Early
Decision is binding – you sign a contract that your parent signs, counselor
signs; if you get in, you’re going. Not
just about fit, also about committing to tuition. Early Action is non-binding – hear back
earlier, not bound to go if you get in; Regular Decision is a Jan. deadline and
from where we accept fewest students – RD is most competitive, fills in gaps
from ED and EA admits
At UCLA and Michigan,
how do you prioritize in-state vs. out-of-state?
Michigan: state
has declining student population, so out-of-state is very important. You can see this in the regional positions
placed around US – making sure to mine places where competitive and qualified
students are. No state mandate for
amount of in-state kids on campus. Try
to shoot for 50/50 enrolled students; most demand comes from outside state
UCLA: 23%
non-residents – a fiscal decision based on what’s needed in out-of-state
tuition for campus to continue functioning; have always had non-residents, not
easier or harder to get in – same review and expectations; admit rates vary,
but mostly because of yield. If I admit
CA kids – I’ll get lots of yesses. May
have to admit more Georgians to get same number of kids to yield
Do students need
to know what to major in? Does that
matter in file review?
UCLA: College of
science and letters at UCLA is basically undecided – actual major doesn’t
matter; but film school requires portfolio and different review, along with
some other specific colleges within the university
Michigan: You
must apply to one of 7 undergraduate colleges within the university. In college of Literature, Science, and the
Arts (LSA) – prospective major doesn’t matter.
Engineering, must apply directly to general engineering. Musical theater and dance requires portfolio
and audition and specific program; kinesiology looks for experience in the
field
Furman:
traditional lib arts – come explore.
List up to 3 majors on app to get matched with mentors/advisors (same at
Tulane)
What about cost
and scholarships?
Furman: Students
are automatically considered for merit scholarships – understand applicant’s
context, know they’re competing with HOPE in GA; we try and provide appropriate
assistance to compete
Tulane: all
applicants considered for merit scholarship when they apply; big full-tuition
awards tend to reward kids with a clear sense of an independent project or interest
Michigan: be
aware, too, of outside scholarships (like fastweb.com)
UCLA: don’t start
with cost as way to sort universities – the sticker price is likely not what
you’re going to pay. Merit-based aid and
need-based aid are common ways to reduce the cost. Be concerned with institution, fit, and then
how you might curb or reduce cost. If
applying EA or RD, you’ll have the opportunity to weigh options and potentially
have conversations with the campus’s Financial Aid office to see what’s
reasonable
What would you
have done differently?
Owen: wish I had
taken my search more seriously; do good research, check with kids you can
connect with on campus; know what matters to you
Melissa: would
have been more private about search – keep conversation between you and your
parents, not among your friends. College
apps are personal, and picking a college is personal
Do you look at
applicants’ social media?
Tulane: no. It’s too much work; not worth the effort
Michigan: don’t
be a jerk online; when troubling things are brought to their attention, they
have to check into it. Do connect with
colleges online – insta, snap, etc – keep up with campus
Furman: be
careful with hashtags – colleges keep an eye on who is tagging them or using related
hash-tags
Final piece of
advice…
Mike: carve out
time to actually talk about college; create boundaries, which also helps
college not become over-riding force
Melissa: parents
should be honest with kids about what’s realistically affordable; difficult
conversations come up when a student gets admitted and parents won’t or can’t
pay
Owen: parents,
don’t be more memorable than your student – I want to get to know your kid, I
don’t want you to be infamous. Kids,
remember your parents just really want what’s best for you.
Amy: remind yourself
when feeling stressed or overwhelmed to just be yourself. Ok to change your mind; ok to explore wacky
or weird places; do what feels right to you without comparing too much to
others.